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The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth - forum review.
08-03-2011, 09:34 AM
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The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth - forum review.
Hi All,
Maybe I should know better than this, but I will give it a go.
Please feel free to "review" the attached.
Strictly speaking it is not finished, I have some bits I do want to add, but,
let's see if we agree about what needs to be added, better explained, or changed.

Constructive, on topic, criticism invited.

Present, rather long winded title,
How do we, and how should we,
view earth’s climate system?

Oceans.
A basic thermodynamics approach to the study of earth’s climate system.
Heat pipes.
And,
Greenhouse effect “theory” as presently taught.


Page 30 last line should be 30 degrees Celsius, not 15 degrees Celsius.
Silly me, 15C, that's the ever so reliably measured and calculated, supposed GMT of near surface air temp. isn't it....Which is a different thing entirely.
and,
I will be adding a section in regards of geothermal heat and the fact that an atmosphere cools,
along the lines of this question I recently asked someone.
" Go on then, name me a planet with a hot core, and no atmosphere? "


Attached File(s)
.pdf  Derek - Oceans, Thermodynamics, Heat pipes and GH theory. Version 7 Working copy..pdf (Size: 1.02 MB / Downloads: 205)

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09-05-2011, 02:10 AM
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RE: Oceans, the atmospheres heat pipe and thermo - forum review.
I am thinking of renaming the pdf as I develop it to,

" The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth. "

Any thoughts / comments?

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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12-14-2011, 08:27 AM
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RE: The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth - forum review.
Hi All,
I am working on my "traditional" Xmas pdf for this year, and am now somewhere near a 4th and final 30(ish) page version of it.
In the process, I have realised I am covering much that is mentioned in this pdf, an unfinished pdf I had really forgotten about.
So, I have decided to stick this thread - heck, it might even generate some comments....

Meantime I am busy finishing off the Xmas pdf for sometime hopefully before Xmas 2011,
see you all soon.....

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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01-19-2012, 10:18 AM
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RE: The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth - forum review.
Hi All,
I think it makes sense for the developing pdf this thread is for discussing and further developing (considerably), to be my Xmas 2012 pdf.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

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02-22-2012, 07:53 AM
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RE: The solar and geothermal powered refrigerator called Earth - forum review.
Hi All,
I suspect some may be asking, in regard to the "new" title for this pdf,

Why a refrigerator Derek?

A refrigerator is to all intents and purposes a powered heat pipe, in that,
a fluid is vapourised in one location, inside the fridge, in this case.
The vapour then condenses somewhere else releasing the transported latent heat.
Usually another fluid is used to transport this heat to an external to the fridge heat sink.
In short, heat (energy) is removed from inside the fridge, and released outside the fridge, by utilising
the massive amounts of energy that changes of state can transport from one location to another.
Hold your hand over the back of a fridge, you will feel the released heat rising.
That heat being sucked out of the fridge, and released to the atmosphere is why the fridge is cold inside.

The Einstein refrigerator
" The absorber works by removing ammonia vapor by dissolving it in water.
As this happens, the gas mixture flows to maintain the nearly constant pressure Psys, and as a consequence,
the partial pressure of the refrigerant, Prfr, can approach Psys.
At this higher partial pressure, it can condense and deliver heat to an external heat sink,
as in a conventional refrigerator.
"

The water cycle in earth's atmosphere does virtually the exact same job, by vapourisation of liquid water at the earth's surface, massive amounts of heat (energy) are removed from the surface.
This heat (the latent heat of vapourisation of water) is then (mostly) released at altitude as the lighter than air water vapour cools with convection and condenses back into fluid water (clouds).
The released (latent) heat of the condensation of water vapour can then be (mostly) radiated, by chance alone,
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to space, so earth, and particularly the surface, is cooled.

Ok so far? Good.

However, there is something missing.
What about the returning cooled refridgerant, this has to be warmed up again so that it can vapourise, again.
The returning refridgerant (rain or snow etc, in earth's atmosphere), cools the fridge internally more, (just as cold rain and snow etc, cool earth's surface more).
This must be included in calculations of heat and energy flows for a fridge, and for earth's climate system.
However at present it is not for earth's climate system.. Not at all, anywhere, to the best of my knowledge.
Look over any present explanation of earth's climate system, the cold of precipitation is not included.
If anyone knows of an example of where such is included, please share it on this thread.

So, a refrigerator, which works much like a heat pipe, is actually a good analogy for earth's climate system overall.
That is why I chose to rename the pdf.

Another point the fridge analogy can illustrate is that,
you may well know the internal temperature of the fridge,
you may well know the power of the internal light bulb, if it were left on, and
you could also know how much heat the external heat sink was loosing (or rather the power at which an unmeasured amount of heat was emitted at),
but
would you know how hard the fridge was working,
Errrr, no.
Why?
Are there any other things in the fridge being cooled? May be that setting jelly is still a bit warm, or the cooked ham was not as cold as it should have been when you put it in the fridge.
There maybe a container of soup or a bottle of pop you have overlooked too. Someone could have put something else in the fridge to cool you do not know about.
Heck, some joker could have put a lit candle in the fridge too...
ie, there maybe other unaccounted for heat sources in the fridge (inputs).

Have you included the effect of the cooled returning refrigerant in your calculations?
ie, the cold of precipitation (internal to the system cooling).

Knowing just,
earth's surface temperature, or near surface air temperature,
the amount of sunlight the earth's surface recieves, and
at what power earth emits an unmeasured amount of IR to space,
is simply not enough to understand how earth's climate system works.

In the same way, if we knew the internal temperature of a fridge, and the wattage of the internal light bulb of the fridge,
would we know how hard the fridge is working,
AND,
what mechanisms it was working by and with.
NO.

The refrigerator analogy shows there are factors that are not being taken into account at present within climatology.
These missing factors are large, very large. So large that the present view and direction of climatology is shown to be grossly in error, and in actual fact is in denial of observation.

How can the cold of precipitation within earth's climate system be ignored, and climatology retain any semblence of respectability?
How can geothermal inputs within earth's climate system be ignored and climatology retain any semblence of respectability?

Present climatology is a limited, and blinkered approach, bordering on being a religious belief system rather than a science,
that is grossly in error, and in denial of observation.
My fridge tells me that much.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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