the facts about global warming

[jason_85]

(02-24-2010 12:56 PM)Derek Wrote:  In your opinion is space cold ?
Can you say what temperature you understand it to be at. ?

Depends on the time of day.

(02-24-2010 02:12 PM)JohnWho Wrote:  In that case, the onus is on you to show that there now is a correlation between CO2 and temp since 1970. Remember, too, that correlation does not mean causation.

In other words, just because both CO2 levels and temps rise, seemingly together, does not mean that one is causing the other to rise - a third factor (or factors) could be causing both to rise.

Yes, true, that's why I created the article and this discussion. Of course it's possible that there is another cause, but what is it, and why? The best explanation as I see it, and I don't want to repeat what I've already explained, is that CO2 levels are the root cause.

(02-24-2010 02:12 PM)JohnWho Wrote:  While both sides of the issue may sometimes misrepresent proper science, I think it is important to point out that the predominance of this is clearly on the AGW side simply because the science does not readily support their bottom line position which is: "global temps are being increased primarily due to man's CO2 emissions". Again, remember, this is the "concept" that must be proved by the warmists. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the warmists were not making this claim. A movie such as "The Great Global Warming Swindle" would never have been made if it weren't for the tremendous amount of false information and wrong conclusions in "An Inconvenient Truth" and other claims by the AGW supporting side.

Well the way I see it, things are happening now that can't be explained. So really, whoever comes up with the most plausible explanation is, at least in the eyes of the people, the bearer of truth. That's just the way things go, and the fact is that global warming denial doesn't have a complete theory, warmers do, however flawed it may be. I don't want to get into supporting the IPCC because they've really screwed up, but they do some solid science as well. I know several professors working for them, and they've invested their entire careers into making a contribution to climate science. That has to be worth something.

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(02-22-2010 07:32 PM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  let's have a real close look at the last spike in the Antarctic ice cores some 20,000 years ago.

Can you explain what we're looking at here? What is delta 180?