Post Reply 
 
Thread Rating:
  • 232 Votes - 2.81 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Do Global Energy budgets make sense. ???
03-17-2010, 03:16 PM
Post: #5
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ???
(03-17-2010 06:24 AM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  Will this help?

Another Look at Climate Sensitivity

I have read this post in the comments,

Terry Oldberg (09:44:22) :

" In the language of thermodynamics, there is no such thing as an “energy flow.” The only energy that “flows” is heat.
In a Kiehl-Trenberth diagram, some of the “flows” are heat. Others are radiation intensities.
It is clear that the “back radiation” is not heat for it “flows” from cold to hot matter;
if it were heat, it could not flow in this manner, under the second law of thermodynamics.
However, while we have a conservation principle for heat flows, we do not have one for radiation intensities.
Thus, the proposition that the K-T diagram portrays some kind of “balance” is false.
"

The important part of this is,
However, while we have a conservation principle for heat flows,
we do not have one for radiation intensities.


I'm thinking this whole quote of Terry Oldberg, and a link to the WUWT thread should be worked into the piece.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
Find all posts by this user Give Reputation to this user
Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Messages In This Thread
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-17-2010, 02:58 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-17-2010 03:16 PM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-17-2010, 08:07 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-18-2010, 04:27 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-22-2010, 11:46 PM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-23-2010, 01:16 PM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-24-2010, 03:15 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-25-2010, 01:52 PM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-25-2010, 03:46 PM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-26-2010, 01:08 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-26-2010, 02:28 AM
RE: Do IR budgets make sense. ??? - Derek - 03-26-2010, 05:23 AM

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Climate models get energy balance wrong, make too hot forecasts of global warming Sunsettommy 0 1,924 07-26-2011 03:00 PM
Last Post: Sunsettommy
  Kiehl/Trenberth/et al Global Energy Budget blouis79 12 7,341 10-06-2010 10:40 AM
Last Post: Derek



User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)