Arctic Ice: reports accurate?

[Richard111]

Given all the news on severe snow and ice for the NH this winter I have been keeping an eye on the Arctic ice extent at AMSR-E Sea Ice Concentration

Richard North at EU Referendum alerted me to this report: Ten ships, 600 crew trapped in frozen Sea of Okhotsk

AMSR-E shows almost no ice for the Sea of Okhotsk! Who can we believe any more?

[Derek]

The Russians have been over the last few years building up the number of ice breaking ships they have.
It would seem they know who to believe.

In the UK councils have been selling off their gritting vehicles, because,
the climate models are telling them they will not be needing them in the present or near future.
Apparently though, no body remembered to tell Mother Nature...

Governments and politicians planning ONLY for warming IS the climate crime we will all pay the price of.

[Richard111]

Last night, 4th January 2011, CCTV News (China) reported those Russian ships to be trapped in ice up to 2 metres thick! This has to be "new ice". Must be an alarmist report.
I wonder what the Chinese agenda is?

[Derek]

[Richard111]

The Okhotsk crisis deepens

Posted by Richard North, EUReferendum, 6 January 2011
Links and pictures. Not looking good for the Russians.

[Richard111]

Icebreaking rescue mission
Published: 11 January, 2011, 22:17

Quote:13 days into the maritime drama that’s been playing out in the Okhotsk Sea and those ice-breakers are still working hard to battle the tough conditions that have made this rescue operation so hard going.
There are gale force winds, temperatures dropping to below -20 degrees and ice reportedly up to 8 metres thick in some places.

My emphasis.

[Richard111]

The battle continues...

Russian icebreakers continue rescue efforts in Okhotsk Sea

Quote:According to the rescue plan, the icebreakers will continue towing the Sodruzhestvo, while the Bereg Nadezhdy will attempt to sail on its own along the channel cut in the ice by Admiral Makarov and Krasin.

The weather conditions in the area continue to deteriorate rapidly. Strong winds, low visibility and shifting ice floes hamper the rescue effort, the spokeswoman said.


VLADIVOSTOK, January 14 (RIA Novosti)

[Richard111]

Hmm... seems like someone else is confident about Arctic ice. Got the link from Joe Bastardi's Europe Column

Trends in Arctic ice thickness and volume

Posted by Frank Lansner (frank) on 11th January, 2011

Quote:A significant thick ice recovery is taking place now.

(go to the link to see lots of ice charts)

Fig 1 shows a fascinating inferno of trends moving up and down showing many underlying patterns. Its no wonder that PIPS2 data is not promoted by IPCC or other institutions known to promote AGW, though. Not much of a trend in total area for these winter (31 dec) data 1998-2010.

However I will start out focusing on the event around 2007. These data illustrates how the ice in 2007 was squeezed together and then how the recovery of thicker ice after 2007 has occurred in an impressing speed. With data like this, the idea that the lower 2007 Arctic sea ice level was close to a “death spiral” appears wrong. What we see is an Arctic sea ice playing with its mucles, showing that it is no way near fading away. The 2007 dip appears like an oscllation that the Arctic at any time can quickly recover from.

The area of ice thicker than 2,5 meters has almost doubled from approx 1800 km2 to 3300 km2 in just 2 years 2008-2010 as reported by Steven Goddard:
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com...vs2008.gif

[Questioning_Climate]

The Russian ships are still in trouble [18/1/2011]:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01...-over.html

[Sunsettommy]

From the latest link (post #9) is this gem of another "journalist" making a total fool of himself:

Quote:Oblivious to all this then comes Roger Howard in The Daily Telegraph telling us that "regional sea ice is retreating fast, threatening to raise global sea levels, destroy traditional habitats and ways of life, and accelerate the rate at which the planet as a whole is warming up".

[Questioning_Climate]

The MSM just can't see their way to reporting facts.

Update on the ships ... 3 weeks and counting:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01...-hold.html

[Richard111]

Been scratching my head as to why sea ice extent has not been updated since January 15 when they claim Daily Updated Time series of Arctic sea ice area and extent derived from SSMI data provided by NERSC.

So I went over to The Cryosphere Today web page and looked at this chart:


and noticed an oddity - hey, Willis said that! No. What I notice is the LOW ICE each year. When the ice recovers in winter the RANGE OF RECOVERY is actuall greater than the max/min mean of the reference years. Seems to be around 20 million square kilometres of EXTRA ICE even if the max does not exceed the mean of the good years. Must mean something.