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2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
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01-09-2011, 10:00 AM
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2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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01-09-2011, 10:34 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
"2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record"
Only if you're James Hansen! besides, the "record" is only about 150 years long and represents recovery from a mini ice age. I bet that had thermometers been invented 1000 years ago that the hottest years on record would have easily been during the MWP. |
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01-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
I suppose it would depend on which, and how many thermometers you used.
Ooops, of course "they" have sussed that havn't "they". Weather stations disappearing worldwide - WUWT It seems warmer and lower altitude (read warmer) weather stations / thermometers are "preferred" these days. 6,000 (1980s) down to 1,500 (present) stations ain't a small decrease. Not many weather stations left that are allowed to report back in Russia for example. Maybe Siberia is just too cold for "modern" near surface temperatures. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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01-09-2011, 11:15 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
I went back and highlighted it - a link to Monckton's pdf.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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01-09-2011, 11:18 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
24 very well made, clear, succinct, and understandable points as is Lord Monckton's usual style and quality.
Well worth reading, and a good find John. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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01-09-2011, 11:20 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
No problem Derek -
I saw it on WUWT. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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01-09-2011, 02:46 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Not only low altitude stations, but many of the remaining ones left are urban and therefore, over time show a temp rise that is due, not to global warming but to increased urbanisation.
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01-09-2011, 03:02 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Being very serious here, I'm really surprised any scientist is finding our ground station data useable to any reasonable degree.
So many of them are compromised through improper siting even before the UHI effect is considered. I wonder how many of them are truly providing what should be considered scientifically acceptable data? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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01-09-2011, 03:04 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
As most of you here already know I have up-dated my website fairly recently - this January - (and not before time) and there you will find a couple of documents that may well be of interest with reference to this topic. My original analysis based upon McKitrick's work - in a slightly revised form - has been published in ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT, VOLUME 21 No. 8 2010 as: "THE INFLUENCE OF STATION NUMBERS ON TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENT". It is available from the links on my website.
In fact, as some here know, it is a precursor to a more thorough analysis which is being reviewed but is in essence much the same that found in the second volume of Slaying the Sky Dragon. A very early draft copy is available from my website. "Correlation is NOT Causation"
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02-15-2011, 03:08 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
"THE INFLUENCE OF STATION NUMBERS ON TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENT" has now been republished by SPPI with a nice picture cover. It is available here:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprin...uence.html It has also been mentioned on JunkScience.com "Correlation is NOT Causation"
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02-15-2011, 04:53 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
(02-15-2011 03:08 PM)Questioning_Climate Wrote: "THE INFLUENCE OF STATION NUMBERS ON TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENT" has now been republished by SPPI with a nice picture cover. It is available here: Congrats. Tweeted it! Ni cien conejos hacen un caballo, ni cien conjeturas una evidencia (F. Dostoyevski) |
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02-15-2011, 11:39 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Putting this very mildly.
Well deserved, earned the hard way, and long overdue recognition Dr. Jonathan Drake.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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02-16-2011, 01:16 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Whilst surfing around on this subject I have just come across the below.
It follows on from, and dovetails in, with Jonathan's piece I would suggest. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images...r_ever.pdf Is 2010 the Hottest Ever? By Steve Goddard, SPPI Exclusive The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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02-16-2011, 07:10 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
(01-09-2011 03:04 PM)Questioning_Climate Wrote: As most of you here already know I have up-dated my website fairly recently - this January - (and not before time) and there you will find a couple of documents that may well be of interest with reference to this topic. My original analysis based upon McKitrick's work - in a slightly revised form - has been published in ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT, VOLUME 21 No. 8 2010 as: "THE INFLUENCE OF STATION NUMBERS ON TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENT". It is available from the links on my website. Link? It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies. –William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952 |
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02-16-2011, 10:30 AM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Link? possibly..
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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02-16-2011, 12:03 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Thanks Strogoff and Derek. It was a surprise to have SPPI interested in reprinting the piece. To be honest I had more or less given up on it since I hadn’t received a reply to my authorising publication.
SST, the link Derek gave is to a draft but the content is much the same. I'm hoping to make some significant advances on the concept with the help of a professor although I'm not holding my breath at this stage. I'll let you all know more if progress is made. "Correlation is NOT Causation"
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02-16-2011, 03:31 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
(02-16-2011 12:03 PM)Questioning_Climate Wrote: To be honest I had more or less given up on it since I hadn’t received a reply to my authorising publication. Oh please, wait. You´ve been retweeted by: http://twitter.com/#!/Piers_Corbyn http://twitter.com/VincentJappi http://twitter.com/Geomacl And also figure in Climate Realists: http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=7227 So... some of us are watching you ... Maybe some of us are a bit short of time. I NEED to know more Don´t give up, please.
Ni cien conejos hacen un caballo, ni cien conjeturas una evidencia (F. Dostoyevski) |
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02-17-2011, 01:54 PM
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RE: 2010 Was the Warmest Year on Record
Thanks for your support Strogoff.
I'm just back from meeting the professor. He is interested in helping me out with a thorough investigation. That's all there is for now but I'll let you know when and if we make progress. "Correlation is NOT Causation"
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