Oceans cooling?

[Richard111]

I found this over at The HOCKEY SCHTICK:

New Study: Mid-Atlantic Ocean has cooled "strongly" since 1998 to temperatures cooler than 1981

Quote:According to climate scientist Roger Pielke Sr, ocean heat content provides the most appropriate metric to diagnose global warming, rather than the conventional use of ground and atmospheric temperatures. A paper recently published in the Journal of Physical Oceanography finds that the Mid-Atlantic Ocean has cooled strongly since 1998 with more than half of the upper ocean warming over the 41 years from 1957-1998 erased by "strong" cooling over only 7 years from 1998-2004. As shown in the graph below, temperatures of the upper ocean within 3 different depth ranges were also found to be relatively stable since 2004 and each of the 3 depth ranges cooler than in 1981. This data is the opposite of climate model predictions of an accelerating steady rise in ocean heat content in relation to greenhouse gas levels.

I very much doubt this will be reported in the MSM. Abstract for the paper in the link. It seems data from the Argo bouys was prominent in this paper.

I gather the Argo data is available in raw form. Does anyone know how to analyse it and produce a graph?

[Derek]

A possibly useful link, and attachment.

http://www.argo.net/

The amount and number of data sets looks daunting,
and as for the gridding potential problems I wouldn't know where to even start.

[Sunsettommy]

How about this Derek?

Falling Ocean Heat Falsifies Global Warming Hypothesis

A nice 12 page PDF,with the relevant charts showing the ocean cooling trends.Posted by Willis and Loehle.

[Climate Realist]

Looks like Trenberth's "missing heat" is going to stay AWOL and the Greenhouse theory crumbles with it, or more likely shatters like ice in the cold!

[Sunsettommy]

I find it hard to accept the idea that mass Heat energy transport can go downward into the ocean for hundreds of meters.

The cooling as shown by the ARGOS project already covers up to 700 meters deep.I would think that there would be little "heat" below that.

Vast majority of the ocean waters is already near the freezing level starting a few hundred feet below the surface.At the poles it is at the surface.

[Richard111]

As I understand it the oceans absorb light energy down to about 100 metres or so, clear skies permitting. This is VOLUMETRIC absorption. Re-radiation can only take place through the two dimentional surface. This makes the oceans the prime heat storage area of the planet. It can warm faster than it cools. Good thing mother Gaia invented clouds.

Remember, just the first 2.6 metres of the ocean equals the heat capacity of the total atmosphere, upwelling of that cooler water from the depths causes things like La Nina and look what is happening to the climate now.

[Climate Realist]

I know I keep banging on about the importance of considering the wavelength (or frequency) of the radiation!, but in this case it is important as well. The light radiation that penetrates the ocean to humdreds of meters is VISIBLE light which has a shorter wavelength/ higher frequency than IR.

Water cannot absorb IR deep in the oceans in this way because water, after the first mm or so is totally opaque to IR. And the surface water just evaporates more in response to the IR. Visible light, as we know, can penetrate sea water. Therefore the storage of heat in the oceans can have nothing to do with any alleged greenhouse effect as the ocean absorbed heat is not from IR, but visible light.

Therefore, the alleged "missing heat" in the alleged greenhouse effect CANNOT be in the oceans as Trenberth claims. Therefore, for the second time today, I can falsify the greenhouse theory.

This has to be the worst, least tenable theory that anyone has come up with ever. Yet it is a miracle that it has survived so long. (well, not a miracle- just politics and big business).

[Richard111]

The oceans r' it! I know from personal experience you can get sunburnt while skuba diving. Lot of energy in UV despite the ozone layer.

The oceans not only store heat, they transport vast amounts to cooler regions, think Gulf Stream in the North Atlantic. My guess is if you could calculate the energy moved from the tropical regions to the polar regions by water it would far exceed that transported by the atmosphere. Just compare volumes/masses moved and the respective heat capacities.

[Climate Realist]

Sun burn is due to the reflection of UV from the oceans surface.

Yes, and I agree, the specific heat capacity of water is far greater than that of air, so yes. That is why El Nino and La Nina have such an impact on climate and weather and YET another reason why CO2 cannot.