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COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ? Manipulation of Science.
04-29-2011, 03:32 AM
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COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ? Manipulation of Science.
Hi All,

Many of us will remeber,
COP 15 and CMP 5, ie Copenhagen
Conference of the Parties (COP), Fifteenth session and Conference of the Parties serving as
the meeting of the Parties to the Kyoto Protocol (CMP), Fifth session and sessions of the Subsidiary Bodies



Following on from a year later was,
COP16, ie, Cancun
COP 16 & CMP 6 (UNFCCC)
16th Conference of the Parties (COP 16)/ 6th Conference of the Parties serving as
the meeting of the Parties to the Kyoto Protocol (CMP 6)



There is, this year,
COP 17 & CMP 7 (UNFCCC), ie, Durban.
BUT, Durban is NOT listed at,
IPCC - Calendar of meetings 2011

It is however listed at,
UNFCCC Calendar 2011
UNFCCC = United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change

IPCC sloppiness, or something more?
Funding problems for the IPCC possibly...

Or, as touched upon in this thread - post 10, When do the lights go out? ,
it is another indication / confirmation that AGW is transcending from being a "science problem" to
being JUST a political, or rather THE political problem,
that we (supposedly) need the politicians to deal with on our behalf, at our expense..
REGARDLESS of the actual science, or observations.
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04-30-2011, 12:44 PM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
Hi All,

The below is somber reading, and follows on from the first post.

http://www.thegwpf.org/the-climate-recor...-grab.html
Precautionary Principle Power Grab
Friday, 01 April 2011 09:12 Doug L. Hoffman, The Resilient Earth

There is a long history, and plainly expressed intent.
http://www.c-fam.org/docLib/20080625_Rio...onment.pdf
THE RIO DECLARATION
ON
ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT (1992)

The United Nations Conference on Environment and Development,
Excerpt,
" PRINCIPLE 15
In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities.
Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as
a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation.


ie, the intention, as I read it, was always that "it" should be a political problem, regardless of the actual science....
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04-30-2011, 01:33 PM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
(04-30-2011 12:44 PM)Derek Wrote:  Hi All,

The below is somber reading, and follows on from the first post.

http://www.thegwpf.org/the-climate-recor...-grab.html
Precautionary Principle Power Grab
Friday, 01 April 2011 09:12 Doug L. Hoffman, The Resilient Earth

There is a long history, and plainly expressed intent.
http://www.c-fam.org/docLib/20080625_Rio...onment.pdf
THE RIO DECLARATION
ON
ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT (1992)

The United Nations Conference on Environment and Development,
Excerpt,
" PRINCIPLE 15
In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities.
Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as
a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation.


ie, the intention, as I read it, was always that "it" should be a political problem, regardless of the actual science....

This is a flat out declaration that no matter what the science says.They will do it by means of political muscle.

It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

–William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952
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05-01-2011, 11:36 AM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
Yes, SST the intent and how it was to be achieved was there, plainly, all along.

Which all reminds me of this great summation and historical perspective of Alan Caruba's.
Nazi Dreams were Green Dreams
Warning Signs blog.
Monday, September 6, 2010
By Alan Caruba


Also posted at,
Canada Free Press
- because without America there is no free world.

Where it is noted that,
" Nazi regime was made up of animal rights advocates, environmentalists, and vegetarians "

(04-30-2011 01:33 PM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  This is a flat out declaration that no matter what the science says.They will do it by means of political muscle.

Which reminds me of "The Bolivian law" as discussed on this thread,

Earth Day and Environmental Insanity - Alan Caruba
Excerpt, from linked to source above is, including a nice picture of activists posteriors...
" Bolivia is proposing a UN treaty that will give “Mother Earth” the same rights as accorded to human beings.
It has just passed a domestic law that grants these rights to bugs, trees, and all other natural things in its own country.
"

and,
" The Bolivian law, if successful, will end the extraction of all natural resources in that nation, thus effectively plunging it into insolvency.
That is a definition of insanity.
It is also a description of the United States of America where
access to its vast reserves of coal, natural gas, and oil is being systematically denied by the government.
"
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05-01-2011, 03:59 PM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
The same monied families that backed the Nazis are the same ones pushing the Green movement and the NWO which is just global nazi-ism, communism, socialism. Pick your ism they are all the same, totalitarianism.
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05-02-2011, 12:20 AM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
This is why I keep saying humanity is going through an evolutionary process. It is adapting to "mindsets". There is a need for a group that recognizes the danger of the "isms" groups and aquires the will and substance to do something about them.
Until that happens the "isms" groups will continue to destabilise and fragment humanity for their own ultimate benefit.
Man has yet to learn that the main threat to his survival is mankind!

Environmentalism is based on lies and the lies reflect an agenda that regards humanity as the enemy of the Earth. - Alan Caruba
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05-02-2011, 05:35 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2011 02:17 AM by Climate Realist.)
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
I would like to see some group stop Pauchauri or some other warmist outside the meeting place and expose their ignorance with a simple question. Last year Pauchari did not even know how much the earth had warmed over the 20th century! (0.8C) He did not seem to even think that it mattered!!!

Even the simplest facts are ignored by these politicians in their rush to push the political agenda.
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05-03-2011, 11:39 PM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
Hi All,
(05-01-2011 03:59 PM)Scpg02. Wrote:  The same monied families that backed the Nazis are the same ones pushing the Green movement and the NWO which is just global nazi-ism,
I have to agree. There is a history to the whole idea / movement that is modern "environmentalism" and AGW justified political policies / agendas.


I have just received an email from Rev. Philip Foster, which included some short quotes and a "review" of this book.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Plan-Himm...424&sr=8-5
The Master Plan. Himmler's scholars and the Holocaust
by Heather Pringle.

The book is also available from Amazon in the USA.
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Plan-Himmle...719&sr=8-1

Some review excerpts from Amazon dot com,
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Plan-Himmle...ewpoints=1
(interestingly no reviews at Amazon dot co dot uk...)
"kmccormick12" writes,
" Heather Pringle has done the world a service by producing a well-written account of the "science" produced by scholars working for the SS.
The book is fascinating. Like all good history, it contains lessons for the modern world:
1. It is dangerous to mix politics and science, and
2. Even "smart" people can convince themselves of almost anything, especially if it will win them credit with powerful people.

Unfortunately, as one looks around the world, the same willingness to ignore facts for the sake of ideology is still rampant.
I wish more people would read Ms. Pringle's book.
"

and,
Lars Gyllenhaal wrote,
" This is not the first book about the mysterious branch of the SS called "Ahnenerbe".
But it is the most well-written one and also the first book to present all the amazing Ahnenerbe expeditions abroad.
These expeditions bring Indiana Jones to mind but are far more interesting than the "Indy" movies, as they took place in real life.

As Ahnenerbe was to a great extent about motivating the pagan faith of the SS leader Heinrich Himmler and
many early SS-officers the book is also about the relationship of the SS to the major religions.
Both to buddhism (therefore the fascination with Tibet), hinduism (with its "Aryan" side), Islam (two SS divisions were largely Muslim) and
Christianity (incompatible with true SS spirit according to Himmler).

Had Nazi Germany been victorious the SS would have dropped its wartime acceptance of Christianity and
would have worked hard on replacing Christianity with its brand of pagan faith.
"The Master Plan" gives a really fascinating insight into what was actually done in the SS to promote the new/ancient faith, and
what the SS planned to do about religion, had the SS won.
"

and,
"zohoe" wrote,
" Pringle's book also makes clear Himmler's agenda to alter the very fabric of German society, especially religion.
Himmler was a passionate anti-Christian who believed that Germany should be returned to the pagan religion of their ancestors.
To that end, he used the SS as a prototype for a future society that would embrace the beliefs and practices of their Aryan forbearers.

Himmler understood that if you can control what people know and understand about their past and their ancestors then
you can control the future of that society.
History is written, or often RE-written, by the victors for a reason.
The Ahnenerbe was created for this very purpose.
"


I have ordered a copy of the book, as it seems to me that within it there lies a good description of the techniques, methods employed, and
"reasoning" of modern "environmentalism" and the pseudo science that is AGW.

I would also note, sadly, that there are no reviews of the book on Amazon.co.uk,
just compare that to the Amazon.com reviews of the book.

Europe appears to have a false sense of security in the blinkered belief that the Nazis were wholly defeated in 1945.
No, they were not, not completely, they have hidden in plain sight, by remaining the same colour, ie, "green".
ie,
vtel57 wrote,
" Probably the most striking thing about these events and the people involved in them is the fact that
so many got away cleanly and continued to live normal everyday lives, some even going on to great accomplishments in academia.
"
To this day, Germany remains a very "green", if not THE "greenest" in Europe, country politically speaking.
The EU is even "greener" than Germany however, as is the UN, and IPCC of course.

It would seem a fairly simple and compelling case to make,
in climate science related politics and policies at a global level that,
the UN is the "Third Reich", the EU is the "SS", and the IPCC is the "Ahnenerbe".
Later addition Greenpeace and the WWF being the "Hitler youth".
This it would appear is the climate pseudo science Nazis "structure".

Later addition - Care of this thread at Jo Nova's blog.
Greenpeace gate breaks


All based upon a politically motivated perversion, to gain money and power of Paganism, which as "isms" go,
I actually rather like.
In short, it could be said that,
I live by Christian morals (for the greater good), and study the natural sciences as a (none political) "Pagan".
I love mother earth as much as the next man, if not more so,
but what I really object to is the notion that mother earth is "fragile" and "we" are killing her, ie, AGW.
That is the utterly incorrect basis of modern "environmentalism".

She (the planet plus nature, mother earth, Mary, Gaia, call her what you will),
will shrug us (the experiment of life's most amazing product so far) off, as if nothing, when the time comes,
regardless of the intervening human pseudo science based politics / greed of the few.
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08-19-2011, 04:21 AM
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RE: Is there going to be a COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ????
Email 08/11

Manipulation of science

Will Alexander

Friday 19 August 2011

In my last memo, acting on instructions of my better half, I informed readers that it would be my last contribution to this climate change issue.

But things have changed. I received several encouraging comments and three requests for publication of the material in the memos. Then the media reported that Al Gore had been invited to South Africa. The NGOs have woken up.

It is obvious that there is a growing international instability on economic issues. I have always had an interest in the history of warfare and its causes. All the ingredients are there for another outbreak of hostilities.

My two attached reports are an attempt to put the whole climate change issue in perspective and to offer a solution.

The resumption of the stalled Bonn discussions in September will provide an important insight into the direction that international discussions are likely to take during the UNFCCC's conference (COP 17) that is due to take place in Durban starting at the end of November.

South Africa has delayed the production of its White Paper on climate change until after the completion of these discussions.

I have to take care not to become overstressed when producing my reports and memos. I have just had another look through my Dictionary of quotations. The three quotations that are most relevant to my studies are:

Study the past, if you would define the future. Confucius (550-478 BC)

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930).

Never give in! Never give in! Never, never, never, never, -- in nothing great or small – large or petty -- never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill. (1874-1965).

I urge you to distribute this email and the attachments as widely as possible.

Regards,

Will

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Bold and size emphasis are mine - Derek.


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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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10-13-2011, 10:53 PM
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RE: COP17-CMP7 in Durban 2011 ? Manipulation of Science.
Hi All,
The latest memo from Will Alexander is attached to this post,
it is titled;

COP17 – Objectives and procedures

Will Alexander
Thursday 13 October 2011


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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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