Here's where it all started - Cap and Trade

[Steve LeMaster]

Cap-and-Trade's Unlikely Critics: Its Creators

[Sunsettommy]

From the link:

Quote:Mr. Crocker sees two modern-day problems in using a cap-and-trade system to address the global greenhouse-gas issue. The first is that carbon emissions are a global problem with myriad sources.

and,

Quote:The other problem, Mr. Crocker says, is that quantifying the economic damage of climate change -- from floods to failing crops -- is fraught with uncertainty.

He prefers this:

Quote:He says he prefers an outright tax on emissions because it would be easier to enforce and provide needed flexibility to deal with the problem.

It still does not stop CO2 emissions anyway.

???

[Mike Davis]

Whether cap and trade or carbon tax the goal is not to reduce anything but individual rights and wealth. The Kyoto agreement has only caused hardship for those in the countries that signed the accord.

[Sunsettommy]

[quote author=Mike Davis link=topic=192.msg1299#msg1299 date=1250388798]
Whether cap and trade or carbon tax the goal is not to reduce anything but individual rights and wealth. The Kyoto agreement has only caused hardship for those in the countries that signed the accord.
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It seems they have to learn the hard way.

[Mike Davis]

The supporters think they are actually getting results. Just look at the Ozone Hole issue and the Montreal Protocol. The little people paid money to do nothing but line pockets. The acid rain was a similar issue. My power bill recently was raised by 25% due to EPA regulations but it is still lower  than what I paid in so. NV.

[mcclane]

[quote author=sunsettommy link=topic=192.msg1301#msg1301 date=1250392394]
[quote author=Mike Davis link=topic=192.msg1299#msg1299 date=1250388798]
Whether cap and trade or carbon tax the goal is not to reduce anything but individual rights and wealth. The Kyoto agreement has only caused hardship for those in the countries that signed the accord.
[/quote]

It seems they have to learn the hard way.


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we know for a fact that cap and trade/carbon tax is a form of socialism.  Take wealth from the rich and hand it over to the poor.  Our country did sign kyoto (unfortunately), but we haven't really did anything towards it either, and that has caught the ire of the greenies.

kyoto was a joke, and copenhagen will be a further joke.