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Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
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08-16-2009, 12:03 PM
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Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Here is the link to a forum I am a member of,that discusses the topic in question.
In the thread are many links about the topic that might be worth reading,if you are interested in Abiotic Oil. http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB...50&start=0 It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies. –William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952 |
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09-18-2010, 02:36 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
From the first post link is a comment from StefanR:
Rest assured all oil is abiotic in origin. The original hypothesis that oil was derived from organisms was postulated in 1757. This hypothesis was based on the crudest of observations. Shortly after 1800, other scientists postulated that "rock oil", for that is what it was originally called, was derived from abiotic chemical processes and the debate has been going forward ever since, although admittedly the "fossil" theory got the upper hand, but now with oil found off the coast of Brazil, the Gulf of Mexico, and the West African coast that is below the salt barrier, sometimes as deep as 25,000 feet below the sea floor and in water over 5,000 feet deep, at pressures and temperatures that violate all tenents of the so-called "oil window" corollary of how oil would form in the "fossil" theory, it's becoming increasingly apparent that oil is abiotic. A majority of the giant and super giant oil fields are located above deep faults in the Earth, commonly called "tectonic faults" (see link below): LINK He also posted this chart: ![[Image: fig01big.jpg]](http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/abstracts/2005research_calgary/abstracts/extended/keith/images/fig01big.jpg) There are more links worth reading from his post. It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies. –William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952 |
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09-19-2010, 07:43 AM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Great find and post SST.
And so endeth the "fossil fuel" oil and "peak oil" scams. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken. The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that "they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions. |
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09-29-2010, 12:11 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Finally, some people are beginning to let the cat-out-the-bag, or should that be oil-out-the-rocks? As has been discussed on numerous occasions, fractures in the rock is the key to economic extraction. Many techniques have been tried and are still used; in fact everything from explosive charges to strong acid. The latest technology is hydraulic fracturing which put simply is the use of water pressure to break the rock. It is very powerful and there is a story circulating of a recent situation where the entire top of a mountain was inadvertently lifted.
The following article gives a sketch of how hydraulic fracturing is being used in the USA in oil shale: http://www.thegwpf.org/energy-news/1608-...-boom.html Will it be the next big oil boom? I think that is unlikely to make a difference to energy prices for the consumer because the markets and profit margins will dictate the rate of extraction. It will however, provide a perceived 'security of supply' for those politicians pushing for a ban on offshore exploration. That will be a major threat to future energy security in the longer term. The second part of the article demonstrates the typical way in which prices are rigged, at least partially. Shutting down capacity or controlling output gives the Peak Oil'ers the chance to spin the figures leading to claims there is a decline in output and thus the world is running out. That affects the markets by pushing prices up. It's all one big game! "Correlation is NOT Causation"
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10-02-2010, 10:42 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Well, look at this!
In a Guest post by Paul Driessen over at WUWT... Quote:A steady stream of shale-gas discoveries in Europe and the United States suggests that we still have plentiful supplies of cheap natural gas. Evidence is mounting that petroleum is abiogenic in origin – and natural forces deep inside the Earth are constantly creating new hydrocarbons from elemental carbon and hydrogen. Both developments undermine a principle argument for pricey, land-intensive, intermittent wind and solar power: that we are running out of “fossil fuels.” My emphasis. CO2 comes from coal, coal comes from fossilised trees, fossilised trees come from living trees, living trees growth comes from CO2 therefore coal is carbon neutral. ...from here |
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10-17-2010, 11:36 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Thinking more about this "abiotic" oil business I decided to look up "hydrocarbons" and found lots of information. But since my untrained mind thinks mostly in pictures the site below appealed to me:
Hydrocarbons Page Color Code for Molecules: Green = Carbon, White = Hydrogen. As far as I can tell "life processes" are not needed to build most of the molecules shown. I did check the two obvious ones and a few of the others for comparison. My thesis holds. 
CO2 comes from coal, coal comes from fossilised trees, fossilised trees come from living trees, living trees growth comes from CO2 therefore coal is carbon neutral. ...from here |
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12-14-2010, 11:54 PM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
What goes around comes around. The word is spreading out there.
 Comment from WUWT Quote:ShaneCMuir says: CO2 comes from coal, coal comes from fossilised trees, fossilised trees come from living trees, living trees growth comes from CO2 therefore coal is carbon neutral. ...from here |
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12-31-2010, 06:39 AM
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RE: Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?
Fascinating essays in the complementary book with Dragon Slayer. For more on abiotic oil have a look at The Geo-nuclear Connection by Joe Olson starting on page 36. I have the pdf version.
Quote:With no way to quantify the fission rate or the by-products ratio, we are left to guess at what the Earth’s average Hydrocarbon production rate actually is, but it is certain that OIL is a renewable resource. Completely depleted oil fields in the United States have refilled to as much as 1/3 of original capacity, a tantalizing clue on planetary production rates. My emphasis. Oil fields are refilling?? Must be greenies worst nightmare! 
CO2 comes from coal, coal comes from fossilised trees, fossilised trees come from living trees, living trees growth comes from CO2 therefore coal is carbon neutral. ...from here |
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