IPCC Exposed By Emails

[ajmplanner]

News reports over the last couple of days have stated that emails given to the media by someone at the Britain's Climate Research UNit (CRU) exposes the fact that the IPCC and scientists have been falsifying data records (No suprise to most readers of this forum). CRU Head PD Jones says the emails are legitimate. It will be interesting to see the spin on this. You can read a good report on this at

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/t...fraud.html

Or just go to AmericanThinker.com. The article appeared on Saturday by Author Marc Sheppard.

Leading paragraph:

A folder containing documents, data and, e-mails purportedly "hacked" from Britain's Climate Research Unit (CRU) may be smoking-gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation, and threat of global warming. And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world's leading climate alarmists -- the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.

[Sunsettommy]

(11-22-2009 07:06 PM)ajmplanner Wrote:  News reports over the last couple of days have stated that emails given to the media by someone at the Britain's Climate Research UNit (CRU) exposes the fact that the IPCC and scientists have been falsifying data records (No suprise to most readers of this forum). CRU Head PD Jones says the emails are legitimate. It will be interesting to see the spin on this. You can read a good report on this at

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/t...fraud.html

Or just go to AmericanThinker.com. The article appeared on Saturday by Author Marc Sheppard.

Leading paragraph:

A folder containing documents, data and, e-mails purportedly "hacked" from Britain's Climate Research Unit (CRU) may be smoking-gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation, and threat of global warming. And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world's leading climate alarmists -- the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.

I have been reading in the closed forum,that some of the people there thinks it is a whistle-blower who has raided the files and published them.

Meaning that most if not all the files are legitimate.

[JohnWho]

I'm also getting that impression.

Makes more sense that it was someone inside rather than a "hacker", too.

It does appear odd that the data was obtained one day before Steve Mcintire got a letter denying his Freedom Of Information request for data from HadCRU, doesn't it.

CRU Refuses FOI request

[Sunsettommy]

(11-22-2009 07:36 PM)JohnWho Wrote:  I'm also getting that impression.

Makes more sense that it was someone inside rather than a "hacker", too.

It does appear odd that the data was obtained one day before Steve Mcintire got a letter denying his Freedom Of Information request for data from HadCRU, doesn't it.

CRU Refuses FOI request

What is odd is that they keep resisting release of data,by proper request to people.

Why in the hell are they fighting it so much,is what should the question asked?

[Mike Davis]

Judith Curry wrote letter to CA regarding this. I mention this as reference as I am not a Curry fan and she shows her BIAS while mouthing some words to claim dismay over the situation.
The condition of the files and the contents leads to the recipients or the IT group who maintain the server that would have access to the files and be able to export them as text files. It appears that all of the files / e-mails may not have been on any one individual's computer or accessible to any one of those named in the e-mails. They would surly have been on a common server.

[HarpoSpoke]

(11-22-2009 08:07 PM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  What is odd is that they keep resisting release of data,by proper request to people.

Why in the hell are they fighting it so much,is what should the question asked?

I wish it was "odd".

But for the group of people we are talking about, it appears to be "business as usual".

And the "question" you want asked is answered every time Steve Mcintire is finally able to get his hands on the data, isn't it? We wouldn't have much of a case if there weren't errors found every time someone manages to pry the data from their cold dead hands.

[Sunsettommy]

(11-24-2009 04:03 AM)HarpoSpoke Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 08:07 PM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  What is odd is that they keep resisting release of data,by proper request to people.

Why in the hell are they fighting it so much,is what should the question asked?

I wish it was "odd".

But for the group of people we are talking about, it appears to be "business as usual".

And the "question" you want asked is answered every time Steve Mcintire is finally able to get his hands on the data, isn't it? We wouldn't have much of a case if there weren't errors found every time someone manages to pry the data from their cold dead hands.

I meant after they have been asked for it officially and openly on the internet by some people such as Steve and Doug.They still resist anyway.

That is what is being odd and dumb about.They have been put on the spot and STILL they resist.

[HarpoSpoke]

(11-24-2009 04:08 AM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  I meant after they have been asked for it officially and openly on the internet by some people such as Steve and Doug.They still resist anyway.

That is what is being odd and dumb about.They have been put on the spot and STILL they resist.

I suppose that is easy to do when you can count on the media to ignore what you are doing. That level of "confidence" is probably why these emails were not deleted in the first place. (Why do I suspect that will now change...I can hear emails being deleted as we speak.)

[Sunsettommy]

(11-24-2009 06:01 AM)HarpoSpoke Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 04:08 AM)Sunsettommy Wrote:  I meant after they have been asked for it officially and openly on the internet by some people such as Steve and Doug.They still resist anyway.

That is what is being odd and dumb about.They have been put on the spot and STILL they resist.

I suppose that is easy to do when you can count on the media to ignore what you are doing. That level of "confidence" is probably why these emails were not deleted in the first place. (Why do I suspect that will now change...I can hear emails being deleted as we speak.)

He he...

Then they are really dumb,because they are getting exposed a lot now.

[Steve LeMaster]

Those emails were not hacked.

1. This isn't the first time that Hadley has leaked data

2. Those emails go back for years. How would a hacker know which emails were relevant and which were not?

3. There hasn't been any investigation called for.

4. The timing. Copenhagen is around the corner.

[Sunsettommy]

I doubt it was hacked either,because the file is too well ordered to believe that.

[Steve LeMaster]

Much too organized.

[Sunsettommy]

(11-24-2009 11:01 AM)Obnoxious Wrote:  Much too organized.

There is speculation going on that the files were entered into the internet by mistake,when those very same files were actually collected for destruction,but set aside until that decision were to be carried out.

[Steve LeMaster]

I know. They are blaming a hacker for their incompetence or a deliberate leak. Hackers wouldn't waste their time without something of value for that time in return.

Believe me, I know. I did have a dark side to my computer skills :-

[Sunsettommy]

There have been comments made by some people who have good computer programming skills state similar,that this does NOT look like a hacker doing this.

[JohnWho]

I tend to agree that the coincidence regarding the timing around the Copenhagen convention is worthy of note.

What better time to expose the fraud and collusion regarding the concept of AGW?

[Derek]

So "hacker" has become "anonymous whistleblower". ?
Or, black(e)mailer whose "bluff" was called perhaps. ?
This close to Copenhagen maybe "they" thought it to late to do any harm.

Great timimg as well.

Anyone got any MLO emails please......

[Mike Davis]

UEA stands behind the respected scientists at that institution and demands a police investigation into the release of personal communications.
Do they really believe that communications at a government funded institution are private? If they are that ignorant then all funding to that institution should be stopped now and restitution demanded for past support of fraudulent enterprise.