5th warmest year on record?

[HarpoSpoke]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-1...633782.htm

Quote: LONDON, Dec. 11 (Xinhua) -- The British government's weather office on Friday predicted that 2010 will be the warmest year on record around the world because of the effects of global warming.

The Met Office said 2009 is expected to be the fifth-warmest year on record and that it expected 2010 to be warmer still.

I remember that projection of 2009 was made in Nov. I wonder if anything changed after December's numbers came in? It was awfully cold in Copenhagen.

Anyway, keep that prediction for 2010 handy. Might be good for laughs later.

[JohnWho]

5th warmest "global" temp or Britian's?

"On record", again, does not mean the same as "ever", does it?

[Richard S Courtney.]

Friends:

The globe has been warming out of the Little Ice Age for about ~300 years. So, of course, recent years are warm relative to the 'record' that goes back to ~1880.

Similarly, a person who walks over the top of a hill is high relative to his elevation when climbing the hill.

More important is that the accelerated warming predicted by AGW-alarmists has not happened and is not happening. Therefore, we may, or may not, be about to start 'down the other side of the hill'. The Australian quotes my views on this today at
http://tinyurl.com/ya8s6ne

Richard

[HarpoSpoke]

(01-05-2010 01:37 PM)JohnWho Wrote:  5th warmest "global" temp or Britian's?

"On record", again, does not mean the same as "ever", does it?

Nope.

"on record" is exactly the right phrase to pay attention to in my view since (1) our records don't go back very far and (2) our records aren't that accurate anyway.

(01-05-2010 06:19 PM)Richard S Courtney. Wrote:  Friends:

The globe has been warming out of the Little Ice Age for about ~300 years. So, of course, recent years are warm relative to the 'record' that goes back to ~1880.

Similarly, a person who walks over the top of a hill is high relative to his elevation when climbing the hill.

More important is that the accelerated warming predicted by AGW-alarmists has not happened and is not happening. Therefore, we may, or may not, be about to start 'down the other side of the hill'. The Australian quotes my views on this today at
http://tinyurl.com/ya8s6ne

Richard

Nice to see you get a chance to counter some of the warmers.

This part caught my eye too:

George Monbiot Wrote:I came back from the Copenhagen climate talks depressed above all because, listening to the discussions at the citizens' summit, it struck me that we no longer have movements; we have thousands of people each clamouring to have their own visions adopted.

Poor George may be finding out what we have been pointing out for a long time.....there are many different agendas involved here and they don't appear to mix well. Some are actually honest and believe in what they say, but the dishonest are really aggressive.

I think the warmers are already preparing for cooling and have every intention of claiming that as "proof of warming" should it come to pass.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...matechange

The "science" of this doesn't make sense to me. If the climate cools, won't that reverse the trend that caused the cooling? (according to this theory)