Population control

[Mike Davis]

Icke was probably a lead author for Work Group one of AR4. He was probably the seance leader!

[strogoff]

What a good party: Malthus, Ehrlich, Mengele, Orwell, Icke, Hanson, IPCC... Who´s missing?

[Derek]

Strong.

[Mike Davis]

To many to mention! It is sometimes difficult to separate the Puppets from the Puppet Masters. There are so many different Cliques working towards this goal it is hard to separate the groups. Sometimes a member of one speaks up to show their group might be on a greater mission than just "Fixing" the climate, population, environment, or whatever. Then there are those along for the ride as part of the "Growth Industry" this has become. This may end up being the greatest Money pit of all time because so much is being spent for so little return and so much environmental damage.

From what I have read Europe is now well prepared for the approaching reduction in global temperatures and the US is not far behind. Most of the so called
Developed Nations have placed some extent of restriction on their population that degraded the life styles to an extent the end result will be a repeat of the early 1300s. We hear the propaganda that the economy is getting better when it is not and all the countries are going further into debt while restricting development of needed energy sources. They talk of "Energy independence" when they propose measures that insure energy dependence. I expect a return to the life styles of the 30s and a resulting population reduction of between 25 and 50% by 2100! People are learning they have been lied to and are getting feed up with how things are progressing. Here in the states November elections will give an indication of how well the propaganda has worked and how many are seeing what has happened!
Sustainable living is not! Renewable energy resources are not!

[strogoff]

Je! I was thinking of Dracula or Torquemada, but for sure Strong will do a better job.

All this skepticism thing is fine, but they´re watching and now I´m followed (that´s true) by @RaelianMovement : Depopulization - Cruel or Humane? http://bit.ly/c0HTf5 . I´m worried and paranoid.

Quote:I expect a return to the life styles of the 30s and a resulting population reduction of between 25 and 50% by 2100!

Mike, I´m trying to guess how you made up that numbers. Look what´s beginning to happen in EU:

Impoverished SE Europeans turn to wood for heating

[Questioning_Climate]

You don't have to think too hard before you realise that population control - despite the assurances of this groups - can, and likely will, lead to outcomes that all modern civilised people would and must reject. Which group or groups of people will be first sacrifices to 'save the planet' for the 'good of humanity', because 'it is the right thing to do'?

Will history repeat itself?

[Mike Davis]

Strogoff:
HISTORY!
During the starting years of the LIA it is said the global population reduced by up to 50% due to famine disease and wars. The restrictions that have and are being placed on the global population make all but a few prepared for an extended cooling period. However the restrictions will also leave the same people unprepared for excessive warming or extreme weather events. By moving towards unreliable energy sources. By using crops for food. By increasing energy prices. By taking money from the just getting by and giving it to the poor they increase the birth rates of the poor resulting in increased population without the ability to cope with whatever changes the future has in store!
I would say that those living from the equator to forty north or south have the best chances on a cooling planet.
Also one needs to look at what has been given us in the form of restrictive measures over the last 40 or so years all in the name of the environment or so called better living standards.

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This is only a possible scenario based on history and the measures already taken by the governments of the world. I d not promote anything more that learning and people thinking for themselves. Individually we can not control the future and can only learn from what transpires. The more people that open their eyes to see what is happening around them the less effect the restrictions will have on humanity as a whole!

I am not a survivalist or anti anything because everything is a part of the learning experience. I will leave a legacy for those who follow of a place where some small group can start again if it comes to that.

What if the alarmism about lead concentrations was an attempt to restrict some portion of our life?
What if the Ozone alarm was an attempt to restrict some part of our life!
It appears the entire Environmental movement has been an attempt to restrict human activity in some way.

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The entire concept of our civilized world is based on growth. In nature all things grow to the limit of their environment and humans attempt to imitate nature!
An elite group of people attempting to control or put limits on population goes against nature and a situation like what is happening in China will result. The one child limit will result in China becoming less than a third world country in about 20 to 30 years when this generation reaches maturity! They will have to import people!

[Mike Davis]

QC:
The sacrifices began in the 60s! Actually they did not stop when WW2 ended! They just arrived in modified packages! Some regions have been losing while some have gained and the influx in the regions that lost distorted the change but it can be seen in population make-up. Think about the amount of poverty that has been subsidized through "Save The Children", UNICEF, and other charitable causes. There is little gained by pointing obvious fingers but the world needs to learn from past mistakes and take new approaches going forward!