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Stephen Wilde says:
July 29, 2010 at 1:41 am

Stephen Wilde Wrote:“Predicting the surface temperature indeed involves the interaction of the atmospheric and ocean turbulent sensible and latent fluxes, long- and short- wave radiative fluxes and interfacial fluxes between the surface and the atmosphere”

How about interactions between different layers of the atmosphere ?

There are a couple of large temperature inversions on the way up and layers with very different compositions and densities.

It is clear that not all the layers warm or cool at the same rate which introduces the probability of differential warming or cooling at different levels and thus disruption of the upward energy flux over time.

Such disruptions especially in the stratosphere would have an effect on the pressure distribution in the troposphere.

Then there is the issue as to whether variations in solar activity could provoke such variations in the upward energy flux by affecting the layers differentially.

To my mind the evidence of a cooling stratosphere when the sun was more active and now a slightly warming stratosphere with the sun less active suggests something of that nature going on.

To resolve climate observations we do need some mechanism working from above because the effect of variable energy fluxes from the ocean does not always correlate well with changes in the troposphere. During a period of active sun the El Ninos send the jets more poleward than the same strength El Nino seems to achieve when the sun is less active.

The relevance to the greenhouse issue being that those other effects are so much more powerful in causing natural climate variability via adjustments to the speed of the hydrological cycle that the significance of greenhouse gases disappears in comparison even without the system’s self adjusting process shown by Miskolczi.

Indeed such adjustments to the speed of the hydro cycle appear to be the mechanism whereby the situation revealed by his findings is achieved.