Pachauri stays

[strogoff]

Some as Australian Climate Madness think that´s good news:

IPCC: Pachauri stays, credibility goes

Quote:...as I have said before, every day he remains in charge subtracts credibility from the IPCC, and that can only be a good thing.

I think we´ll soon have news of IPCC + IPBES. COP10 of Biodiversity Convention is going on now in Nagoya untill october 29th. From The Japan Times:

Biodiversity meet needs to chart course for next decade.
Agreements reached in Nagoya could alter negotiations at climate change conference

Donna Laframboise is beginning to tackle the issue in her No Frakking Consensus (new) blog: Extinction Fiction

Try to guess the effect of backradiation over genes?

[Sunsettommy]

I am so glad he is still going to continue to warm the IPCC chair.Being the arrogant man he is with his many foot in the mouth statements.That show what a dufus he is and that he is a bias ridden hypocrite,who is there for the $$$ and fame.

The IPCC itself is now a millstone around the AGW believers neck,riddled with so many errors or omissions.That we can not have confidence in their claims.Besides it was a politically created organization from day one with a preconceived belief to pursue.

That is the real reason why the IPCC is a mess today.

[strogoff]

SST,

maybe IPCC is in its death throes thanks to Pachauri and/or other things, but green movement is creating IPBES in it´s own image and likeness. It is all exactly the same. Kyoto protocol derives from Rio convention, IPBES is a disguised IPCC and AGW believers, who are not very scientific, will switch into extinction believers (they already believe climate disruption is provoking sixth mass extinction)

Dr. Tim Ball has writen an article on all these for the Canadian Free Press:

Biodiversity: Replaces Climate Change As The Weapon For Political Control

Quote:Wiki says, “Rapid environmental changes typically cause extinctions.” Ah, the climate change issue is still alive. But, “99.9 percent of species that have existed on Earth are now extinct.” What’s the problem; extinctions are normal? Is the current rate of extinction higher than normal? How did so many extinctions occur without the interlinked ecosystem collapsing? The truth is you can tell little from the fossil record. It’s estimated 15 million in a species is necessary for it to show in the fossil record. Being able to produce viable offspring identifies species. How can you determine that when only bones and teeth survive?

Biodiversity is just another attempt to exploit people’s fears and lack of knowledge.

(bold mine)

Each day that passes at Nagoya COP10 brings new analogies biodiversity/AGW. For instance, setting a price for natural resources (like CO2):

The Economics of Ecosystems and Biodiversity (TEEB)

Or, do you remember "Zero Carbon Britain"? Now we have Alliance for Zero Extinction (AZE):

Conservation Scientists Release Global Strategy to Halt Extinctions

BTW.- developing countries are insisting on an all-or-nothing approach to negotiations and putting at risk IPBES formal foundation (BBC)

BTW2.- Nice snow! Are we celebrating an early Christmas or global cooling?

[Questioning_Climate]

Stogoff,

I have to agree that it is clear another scare story is building and I seem to recall similar stories recurring many times over the years. Yet again, it is all based upon dubious science and spin.

This list of statistics is a complete joke:
http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/sum...able_1.pdf

It is so bad that I'm not even going to try to describe any of the issues. They are simply too obvious.

But we have apparently lost less than 900 over 5 centuries:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Roughly-9...5666.shtml
And we all know that records of animals and plants 500 years ago were very accurate. http://bestiary.ca/beasts.htm

There are no doubt plenty of extinct creatures such as:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...lphin.html
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/05/...ranean.php
http://www.dinofish.com/

When a species evolves into a new one or however many branches, how is that counted? Could this be a perpetual motion machine? It should be great for fund-raising.

[strogoff]

Q_C,

I´m astonished with the IUCN red list you linked to. I´ve read IUCN´s technical documents in the past and they were not as shoddy. Their endangerment categories and criteria are widely accepted (other thing is that they are not correctly applied or interpreted: it is not that polar bears are extinct in Seville; they never existed there!). I had to look for the document but, oh-oh, it has changed... I spotted a bioclimate models section in page 77 of the new version... I have to read it again.

I´ve never understood how they dare to give figures of "the number of species known to scientists". Almost every day new species are discovered. New or unknown? very little is known about speciation rates and there are still lots of unexplored territories: Events & news from International Institute for Species Exploration (I liked this one: UA biologist discovers new moth, names for wife).

Could this be a perpetual motion (making money) machine? For sure. The next are the pics of the corpse of the last Capra pyrenaica pyrenaica (gosh, where´s her other horn; she deserves being included in your bestiarium ) and it´s habitat:

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She was in vitro fertilized with frozen sperm and the embryo transferred to a surrogated common goat mother (what they were thinking about??). No success. Her corpse is kept frozen. This is not cheap.

There are thousands of experts for each individual of iberian lynx and hordes of scientists collecting brown bear excrements for DNA testing so they can deduce regular itineraries for each bear. This kind of nonsense projects are not as expensive as geoengineering ones and hitherto are carried on only for "carismatic" species but largely outnumber the former. Soon any bacteria will become an excuse to stop any development project.

Hope Pachauri won´t be the next Executive Secretary of IPBES.

[Questioning_Climate]

Strogoff,

Nice one. Of course it will be Jurassic Park next. Think of all those millions of extinct species that the planet is now lacking. We must preserve them and where possible recreate them for the sake of future generations. It is our responsibility.

I think its about time I started counting and cataloguing all the microbes, insects, animals, plants etc that I meet each day. I'll photograph and tag each and every one of them, and where possible take samples for the freezer. Where to start? How about my local food take-away? That will cover most classifications all in one go.

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I can think of one extinction that will be a blessing to the world.

"Pachauri stays"

Will he be the trigger?

[strogoff]

Q_C,

you don´t have to count or catalogue species, you have to SAVE THEM!!

The road to Cancun is going to be very, very funny (with or without Pachauri).

[Sunsettommy]

We have been in a continual state of doom claims since the 1960's.The cries of doom seem to pervade a small segment of the population.The ones who tries hard to steer us into a communal lifestyle.

From Resource depletion,overpopulation,peak oil,ocean acidification,food shortage,global cooling,global warming,plant & animal extinction,acid rain,ozone holes and on and on and on.

Eventually the public will get bored of the doomsday oracles and go on.How many times does it take for even the slow witted get tired of being pooped on?